Comments on: E-mail from a Listener http://barrycreamer.com/2009/04/01/e-mail-from-a-listener/ Ministry. Education. Philosophy. Apologetics. Ethics. Culture. Theology. Thu, 15 Jul 2010 04:20:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Foster A Allen http://barrycreamer.com/2009/04/01/e-mail-from-a-listener/comment-page-1/#comment-505 Foster A Allen Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:14:27 +0000 http://barrycreamer.com/?p=756#comment-505 I do listen to your show daily, it's a good show. Keep up the good work, you do stimulate thought amongst your body of believers. But everybody all 66 million supprters of the president wanted change, so we support our president with prayer, and faith in A divine God who is sovereign. I do listen to your show daily, it’s a good show. Keep up the good work, you do stimulate thought amongst your body of believers. But everybody all 66 million supprters of the president wanted change, so we support our president with prayer, and faith in A divine God who is sovereign.

]]> By: Foster A Allen http://barrycreamer.com/2009/04/01/e-mail-from-a-listener/comment-page-1/#comment-504 Foster A Allen Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:08:50 +0000 http://barrycreamer.com/?p=756#comment-504 Nothing during this presidential term is going to make sense to you. I think you are mad or at least questioning God for allowing "this presidency to happen." I noticed that you failed to answer the questions posed, so here are a couple of the last ones listed. Didn’t President Bush sign a stimulus package into effect before he left office? and besides that legisaltion, could anyone name three pieces of legislation president Bush passed or initiated to help stimulate the U.S. economy during his eight years of leadership? What did the former president do to outlaw abortion? Could someone please tell us one piece of legslation handed down by the Bush administration to end legalized abortion? Your listeners like your Socratically formed questions only because they don't dig and delve, or beg the questions very well, so when you answer the pointed questions, i will answer your questions. Also it is not a case of being right or wrong, out of the three president's listed in your response. Which were ordained by God? and which were apparently disdained by God? Being a theologian you know the answer. All were ordained by God, now for the big question, which presidency blessed the nation? Clinton's of course, so you do not know what God is going to do with the Obama presidency, just like you did not know that a just and loving God would allow Obama to be elected. Pray for our leaders, don't try to slay our leaders. because God is in this, and He is working this out for your good. Nothing during this presidential term is going to make sense to you. I think you are mad or at least questioning God for allowing “this presidency to happen.” I noticed that you failed to answer the questions posed, so here are a couple of the last ones listed.

Didn’t President Bush sign a stimulus package into effect before he left office? and besides that legisaltion, could anyone name three pieces of legislation president Bush passed or initiated to help stimulate the U.S. economy during his eight years of leadership? What did the former president do to outlaw abortion? Could someone please tell us one piece of legslation handed down by the Bush administration to end legalized abortion?

Your listeners like your Socratically formed questions only because they don’t dig and delve, or beg the questions very well, so when you answer the pointed questions, i will answer your questions.

Also it is not a case of being right or wrong, out of the three president’s listed in your response. Which were ordained by God? and which were apparently disdained by God? Being a theologian you know the answer. All were ordained by God, now for the big question, which presidency blessed the nation? Clinton’s of course, so you do not know what God is going to do with the Obama presidency, just like you did not know that a just and loving God would allow Obama to be elected.

Pray for our leaders,
don’t try to slay our leaders.
because God is in this,
and He is working this out for your good.

]]> By: barry http://barrycreamer.com/2009/04/01/e-mail-from-a-listener/comment-page-1/#comment-503 barry Wed, 01 Apr 2009 21:07:25 +0000 http://barrycreamer.com/?p=756#comment-503 Regarding Foster A Allen's comment: I think I understand now. Tell me if I've got this line of reasoning right: Premises: "Bush was wrong. Clinton was wrong. Other Bush was wrong. Reagan was wrong. And Carter was wrong." Conclusion: "Therefore either Obama is right or it is at least wrong to say Obama is wrong." That makes sense to me. Regarding Foster A Allen’s comment:
I think I understand now. Tell me if I’ve got this line of reasoning right:
Premises: “Bush was wrong. Clinton was wrong. Other Bush was wrong. Reagan was wrong. And Carter was wrong.”
Conclusion: “Therefore either Obama is right or it is at least wrong to say Obama is wrong.”
That makes sense to me.

]]> By: Foster A Allen http://barrycreamer.com/2009/04/01/e-mail-from-a-listener/comment-page-1/#comment-501 Foster A Allen Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:17:04 +0000 http://barrycreamer.com/?p=756#comment-501 What a travesty to feel that President Obama is responsible for the last 2920 days or 8 years, he has been President for about 70 days and already we are headed for doom according to the naysayers most of which claim to be faith-filled evangelical christians. One would think that the current president is single handedly responsible for abortion. What did the former president do to outlaw abortion? Could someone please tell us one piece of legslation handed down by the Bush administration to end legalized abortion? One would think that the current president wanted to pass costly legislation to stabilize the economy, the republicans whined and cried when Bush allegedly inherited a recession from President Clinton, so what are those of you doing now, when we really have a recession, and are probably heading for depression which was ultimately caused by the last eight years, remember the slogan "the buck stops here!". In response to the poem, this is not 1914, this is now, but the sentiments placed here are represenative of those who lived in 1914, keep those people in their place, those of the wrong race, those who have no choice,those have no voice, but your voice People voted for Mr. Obama because they were tired of being lied to about being threatened by terrorists,two wars, and overstretched military and etc. those being lied to by so-called conservatives who were and are liberals for their own cause, and conservative when it comes to others that try to rise above certain ceilings whether glass or class. So yes we voted for change and I for one stick by the decision to support President Obama. Another legisaltion question, Didn't President Bush sign a stimulus package into effect before he left office? and besides that legisaltion, could anyone name three pieces of legislation president Bush passed or initiated to help stimulate the U.S. economy during his eight years of leadership? What a travesty to feel that President Obama is responsible for the last 2920 days or 8 years, he has been President for about 70 days and already we are headed for doom according to the naysayers most of which claim to be faith-filled evangelical christians. One would think that the current president is single handedly responsible for abortion. What did the former president do to outlaw abortion? Could someone please tell us one piece of legslation handed down by the Bush administration to end legalized abortion? One would think that the current president wanted to pass costly legislation to stabilize the economy, the republicans whined and cried when Bush allegedly inherited a recession from President Clinton, so what are those of you doing now, when we really have a recession, and are probably heading for depression which was ultimately caused by the last eight years, remember the slogan “the buck stops here!”. In response to the poem, this is not 1914, this is now, but the sentiments placed here are represenative of those who lived in 1914, keep those people in their place, those of the wrong race, those who have no choice,those have no voice, but your voice People voted for Mr. Obama because they were tired of being lied to about being threatened by terrorists,two wars, and overstretched military and etc. those being lied to by so-called conservatives who were and are liberals for their own cause, and conservative when it comes to others that try to rise above certain ceilings whether glass or class. So yes we voted for change and I for one stick by the decision to support President Obama. Another legisaltion question, Didn’t President Bush sign a stimulus package into effect before he left office? and besides that legisaltion, could anyone name three pieces of legislation president Bush passed or initiated to help stimulate the U.S. economy during his eight years of leadership?

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